July 27, 2003
More Ciphers?; A new adventure.

From the "Interesting Email" Dept.

I received a comment today on my weblog regarding The Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown; a book that Jen gave me. To recap, here is a quote from a past blog:

It's an interesting premise. Leonardo Da Vinci has placed a series of codes and ciphers in his works of art. The main protagonist must solve the code + fend off hostile attacks from a "secret society".

In my blog, I had noted that there was a cipher hidden in the front and rear leaflets that spelled out this cryptic message:

"Is there no help for the Widow's Son?"
**Note: Punction added by me.

If you google for this term, you'll get results about the links between Mormonism and the cult of Jupiter or the Free Masons. Specifically, you'll find references the founder of the Mormons (and the Latter Day Saints), prophet Joseph Smith.

I received an email stating:

"As the certified first person in the world to find the secret message on 'The Da Vinci Code,' I welcome you to the small circle of true code breakers. So far the members are Me, Dan Brown, and Jason Kaufman, who designed the dust jacket. You too could be next if you solve the remaining cyphers in 'The Da Vinci Code.' I've been google-ing 'is there no help...' waiting for another keen observer, and so far you are the only one. Good luck with the other cyphers."

Does this mean that there is another cipher encoded in the pages of the book?

I'll have to find out.

Cheers,

Tai

Posted by taitoh at July 27, 2003 11:07 PM
Comments

I have tried telling all of my friends that are reading/have read this book about the code in the dust cover--- No one believes me. They say they have a "different copy" of the book and it has no code. Glad to know I am not alone in this exciting search for more ciphers!!!

Posted by: binzy on September 3, 2003 02:20 PM

Yeah, I found the widow's son code today in Chemistry class. Let me know if you figure out what the other is--Dan Brown's quite the author, eh? :)

Posted by: Erik on September 10, 2003 07:43 PM

I found the hidden message in the jacket as well a few days ago.....has anyone out there uncovered any more?
Isn't Dan Brown's next book about the Mason's and Mormon's?

Posted by: Danica on September 22, 2003 02:37 PM

i found this today too, and also googled it, which is how i came across this site. who sent an email telling you that you were the first person to decode their jacket? any more details about the other code in the book?

Posted by: monkey on December 1, 2003 11:11 PM

i found this today too, and also googled it, which is how i came across this site. who sent an email telling you that you were the first person to decode their jacket? any more details about the other code in the book?

Posted by: monkey on December 1, 2003 11:12 PM

the first time i opened the book i noticed the bold letters inside the jacket. however, i didn't bother taking the time to spell out what they said until now. upon first realizing they spell out "is there no help for the widows son," i searched the web and found this site, and i'm glad to see so many other people did too. i'm still reading the novel now and i'm curious to see if there is another cipher like you all have said. please, feel free to email me if you have any hints on finding it.

Posted by: ryan on January 10, 2004 11:35 PM

there are a bunch of hidden codes on the book cover. if you look next to the bar code on the back there is a bunch of faint numbers. they coinside with capter numbers. if you take the first letters of the gray words at the beginning of those capters they spell a famus saying if you want to know what it says take a look on any money you have on you. also there are map coordinates on the back cover next to the reveues. if anyone can tell me what lies i degree north of 37degrees 57' 65" north, 77degrees 8' 44" west i would apreciate it.

Posted by: jim on February 3, 2004 09:46 PM

It's not 37degrees 57' 65" north - there are only 60 seconds in a minute. It's 6.5 seconds. Google that phrase and it will pop up.

Posted by: Raoul on February 4, 2004 12:56 AM

Thanks for your help. It's funny, but I saw those things all the time...I guess I never put one and two together. Well, in the end, I wrote about my frustrations after having seen the second web contest just after the new year. You can read it at: http://www.pixelsandwidgets.com/weblogs/archives/000220.shtml

Cheers,

Tai

Posted by: Tai Toh on February 4, 2004 01:07 AM

I think all of you will like this website
http://www.randomhouse.com/doubleday/davinci/

Posted by: Dave on February 18, 2004 11:39 AM

Jim, the answer to those coordinates is the Statue Kryptos found at the grounds of the CIA in Langley...

Posted by: Thez on February 24, 2004 02:11 PM

When did Langdon open the second cryptex? We only know that he did because it drops to the floor and Teabing says that he opened it? Was it when Langdon turned toward the window and faced away from Sophie andTeabing?

And why is the hidden message about the widow's son there? What does it have to do with the story?

Posted by: Keynes on February 24, 2004 11:23 PM

According the Internet Movie Data Base, there will be a movie version of
the book directed by Ron Howard in 2005. Here is the link

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0382625/

Posted by: Keynes on February 27, 2004 06:00 PM

I think many of you on this board would enjoy the
book "The Code Book" by Simon Singh published in
1999 by Doubleday. Very well written and fun, with
some interesting history thrown in.

Posted by: Keynes on February 28, 2004 07:12 PM

Wow, a movie!

That's awesome. I second the recommendation for Simon Singh's "The Code Book". A great read, as is his first book: "Fermat's Enigma".

-Tai

Posted by: Tai Toh on February 29, 2004 01:02 PM

Another good book is "Ex Libris" by Ross King. It is
set in 1660 and it involves codes, politics, religion and the search for Eldorado.

Posted by: Keynes on February 29, 2004 05:13 PM

here try this website...it's just a game the book company put on its website
http://www.randomhouse.com/doubleday/davinci/

Posted by: Garry on March 22, 2004 12:06 AM

how far have you guys progressed with the uncover the code challenge? i got stuck with the fifth puzzle. can anyone help me from here?

i also read that the da vinci code is going to be filmed by columbia pictures. it should be really interesting.

Posted by: jo on March 22, 2004 06:50 PM

It appears that I found this site the same way as everyone else who has posted. To be honest I feel kind of special that I discovered the message hidden on the flaps of the cover...
This is definitely my kind of book.
~Jenn

Posted by: Jenn on March 23, 2004 11:43 PM

Hi, I got this book last week from a friend and just noticed the secret message on the flaps. I typed it in google and here I am. I am going to read through the messages here and see what I can find out. Good Luck to all! Kelley

Posted by: Kellley on March 24, 2004 07:40 PM

i found it today on my book after reading it and it is driving me nuts with the sculpture one can i get some help

Posted by: nic on March 24, 2004 09:39 PM

If you look at the second code you will be able to find the answer to the stature code.
Hey has ne one figured out the 5th code yet?

Posted by: Kris on March 24, 2004 11:13 PM

E Pluribus Unum

Posted by: misko on March 25, 2004 02:06 PM

this is so amazing. one book getting so many people to use thier minds and think. i loved the book and now i am trying to find the codes. good luck to everyone who is still searching. i am on the fourth one. the sculpture code is referring to kryptos in virginia at the cia headquarters.

Posted by: keema on March 27, 2004 02:20 PM

What I would like to know is how much of the historical stuff that is in the book, is really true..

For example the "amazing" theory about Maria Magdalena being the 12th apostle on "The last supper" seems to be totally wrong since Da Vinci in the early sketches of the painting, put the apostle names by the side of each person.. He clearly mentions the person on Jesus' right as apostle John..

Any other hints about which things are historically correct and which are part of D Brown's colorful imagination?

Posted by: misko on March 27, 2004 07:49 PM

hey, here are the answers to the contest thingy-
1) Kryptos
2) W W
3)Is there no help for the widows son
4)Masonic
5) E Pluribus Unum
my best advice is dont give up. im only 14 and i cracked the code so keep trying and you'll figure it out
p.s message boards like this are a big help cuz people post the answers

Posted by: ladynightblade on March 28, 2004 06:18 PM

The statue of kryptos lies on the co-ordinates your asking about it is in the courtyard of the Langley CIA headquaters.
"is there no help for the widow's son" is a cryptic clue left for readers of Dan Brown's novels to give you insight into what his next Robert Langdum book go onto www.danbrown.com and search for the da vinci code and you can then play a challenge to help you decipher the clues

Posted by: lookharder on April 4, 2004 01:02 AM

There is a website supported by random house the publisher that includes riddles with clues hidden on the book's dust jacket. these clues are said to solve the riddle of what the next book dan brown will right on robert langdon will be about. The coordinates are for the Kryptos sturcutre. any help? let me know.

Posted by: rachael on April 13, 2004 04:34 PM

I found the code in the flaps right away with the r in cipher bolded, I was forced to look for the rest, I too was a bit proud when I called the person who referred the book and she said that she hadn't noticed, now I must find the rest, happy hunting to all!!

Posted by: Enigma on April 15, 2004 09:06 PM

I searched for this site too after finding and spelling out "is there no help for the widows son". I wanted to see what it meant. I think the book was well written, but like misko pointed out, I hope you guys and gals don't go give up your religeon because a (good author) guy pointed out some anomilies in a 500 year old gay pagans artwork which was based on events 1500 years before him. Dan Brown puts the story together extremely well, but this book is labeled as fiction not just because of the made up characters. But I did think the book was good.

Posted by: Chris on April 16, 2004 08:44 AM

I just bought the Da Vinci code and discovered the codes last night. I did a Google search on "is there no help for the widow's son" and came here. :) Good to see that my eyes weren't, in fact, deceiving me, as I was afraid they might be.

Posted by: Whitney on April 19, 2004 04:31 PM

Well, it was fun, to say the least. Now I'm seeking a "Famous fresco in Milan"... I love puzzles like this! Anyone heard of the merlin mystery? Same thing, more complicated puzzle (overall) though.

Posted by: Ami on April 20, 2004 04:53 AM

Hey, this book as even got me, a 14 year old boy, into it. I really like the book and I was wondering if someone could help me with the codes I got some.

Posted by: Nick on April 20, 2004 07:22 PM

I too just finished the book...in less than 12 hours I might add! Great book! I had noticed the cypher on the front and back flaps just before getting into Chapter 3. I had assumed that it referred to something in the storyline, but I seemed to be mistaken. I actually had not noticed any other cyphers, but after having looked up the phrase "is there no help for the widow's son", and finding this site, I will now go back and diligently seek out the others!

Good luck everyone, Natacha

Posted by: Natacha on April 24, 2004 08:36 PM

57, 6.5 sec is 1 deg south of Langley, VA... aka the CIA HQ.

Posted by: Jason Begalke on April 25, 2004 11:52 PM

anyone know the answer or how to translate the text in the "original game"? its the first question.

Posted by: Illusion on April 26, 2004 01:01 PM

The first clue to the original game is a famous fresco in Milan which is The Last Supper. That was easy but I'm now stuck on the next riddle. I have translated the text which is "Well done, my friend, I sense your hear is true. The answer is a five letter word and I am pulling my hair trying to figure out the word. Has anyone else completed Gate One???

Posted by: Melanie on April 30, 2004 10:49 AM

Its Denon...the other wing in the louvre

Posted by: someone on May 2, 2004 08:06 PM

After finishing the (extremely good) Da Vinci Code as my fiance had his hair cut, I started scrutinizing the dust jacket out of boredom while waiting for him to finish. I noticed the bolded letters and spelled them out. Given all the anagrammatic messages in the book, I was sure it was an anagram and tried for several minutes to come up with one using the letters...if there is one, I couldn't find it.

I did not recall that these were among Joseph Smith's last words before being hanged, but a google search as soon as I got home brought up this page and refreshed my memory. I was raised in a Mormon family and I do indeed remember learning about the "famous last words," as it were. I also recall learning from other sources that Freemasonry is very heavily linked to Mormon temple practices, and if you visit the beautiful Salt Lake City Temple as well as the Temple in Logan, Utah, you will see some amazing and beautiful depictions of several of the Pagan symbols mentioned in The Da Vinci Code. Most prominent are the pentacles on the keystones of window and door arches. While I was still a little kid and living in the Mormon religion, I assumed the pentacles on the Temple were satanic in symbology and it frightened me - in fact it freaked me out enough that I began to research more of the Mormon religion and others. Now I am a contented agnostic and I find the pagan symbols on the Temples charming and even beautiful. Reading The Da Vinci Code really helped me to understand more fully what these symbols could mean to those who built the Temples.

A very good book...I literally couldn't put it down and finished it in record time. I have to read Angels and Demons next. If anybody would like to discuss teh book with me, my email is above!

Posted by: Libbie on May 4, 2004 09:08 PM

The problem with Angels and Demons is that it is exactly the same book as Da Vinci Code :/. Seems like Brown didn't get it right the first time (Angels and Demons) and redesigned the plot a litte (Da Vinci Code). Simliarities are obvious: Langdon and female character solve the problems, The books start with female character's father resp. uncle being murdered, The catholic church is in trouble and many many more..

Basically.. replace Templars with Illuminati and Da Vinci with Galileo.. and you have Angels and Demons..

Still it's a nice book though :)

Posted by: misko on May 9, 2004 11:02 AM

Since you all here figured out this also, did any of you when you were a child more easily read or see things the mirror backwards way the rest of the hidden things read out on the dustcover? This seemed more natural to me and I just always used how things felt to read to start out or do foreign languages and got the high IQ I think being a "cosmic cheat" or something.

On the dustcover on the back the "lightning bolt" zone or the tear running form the magdalene's eyes what does that say to you? I just can't see it very well but it feels like "only one knows". Has anyone figured this portion out with better eyes? I always go with what comes across "feeling" and make 100's and then back engineer or interpret.

It was interesting the CIA Langley location is the HQ where they try to suppress those of the bloodline they try to get us into the programs from IQ testing and psi things.

Now since this message was given, does it mean he is concerned he wil be killed or was the astronomical star of David, the harmonic concordance, protection enough for hinting at the hidden treasure of the bloodline and those with the memories. I noticed in the book it said the message or book wouldn't come out until a certain astrological sign was portended in the heavens. I had been expecting this as well for alot to be ready and protected to be brought forth.

Have any of you studied the code left in the scrolls at RLC of the magdalene incarnation return after the 2,000 years and the birthdate and numerology? The CIA group knows all these things.Also they try to make Rhode scholars of folks to suppress and control them out of all we can be.

Did any of you come with memories from birth of this topic?

So do you think the Hiram treasure was also about the lineage and how it passes and those in power wish us to keep shut up about these deeper topics and go along giving away our authority and suppressing our memories and not using our abilities innate for all who go within and quest?

Have any of you noted since it is on the holy grail topic, things related to Berringer Saunniere such as his sudden demise of January 17 like a marker to look at the blue apples or the stained glass orbs that dance across similar to the blue orbs of the magdalene lineage and landed at 12 noon in the silver chalice (uterus) on the mantle? Was this a code left for the date of birth of the incarnation around abouts 9 months later??I know when I get pregnant the 3 orbs come across halo you and go into through your navel and you know you are pregnant despite any earthly measures not to be if the orbs come. These orbs are like the crop circle orbs and not those litle greyish ones that haven't been called into coalescing you see in pics because the folks didn't know to call them into coming on across. It's like the things at RLC are intentions set in stone to be a prophecy or portend. I know the one's behind the CIA/high masons--the would be controllers sure follow these things.

Back to this code you guys noticed also, I noticed when I read the book, does this mean he Dan Brown needs the assistance of all of us who already had memories of what all this meant and what happens to bloodline daring to speak out or reveal what is hidden in plain view? We all should volunteer to see him protected and THIS time ALL is revealed and ALL comprehend and the golden age of living through heart is manifested and all this intrigue and treachery for standing for what is right and our memories and abilities drops and only peace and wisdom prevails.

Did you know that Salome means peace and wisdom incarnated from the "El" folks from the Pleiades?You might like also to read up on Billy Meier and his Talmud of Jmmanuel.

Since it is coming out that the Mary of Magdala was of the Benjamite heritage of the lineage of Cain some of you might also like to read Laurence Gardner's net article of Genesis of the Grail Kings on the lineage start up although he doesn't have all the mitochondrial things exactly right. Another good book is Templar Revelations:Secret Guardians of the True Identity of Christ by Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince to get some of the magdalene scoop on how the transferring or awakening to the memories or "annointing" is done and gifting how you manifest large situations like kingdoms or new world systems by giving the connections.

Posted by: Salome on May 9, 2004 09:28 PM

The coordinates on the back of the cover are one south of some statue infront of the CIA building. I tried to figure out the backword writing it says "___ the truth of thee who helps us keep her scattered ________ _____" I can't fogure out the rest. There's also words on the back that say "only ww knows".

Posted by: Elizabeth Marsh on May 14, 2004 05:52 PM

Hi Elizabeth,
On the area on the front in the easy to see yellow backwards print what you see is: praised by (at the very top bu the eyebrow of Mary Magdalene or the Mona Lisa which the book did the anagram she was Isis and Amon together (p.121 of DVC) which would also have been during the 2,000 yr ago incarnation Salome with John the Baptist incorporated Jeshua's twin who she did NOT ask for his death at all. The book Templar Revelations:Secret Guardians of the True Identity of Christ which he referenced in the book p.253.Billy Meier in his Talmud of Jmmanuel is about the only one who has cleared Salome's history on this. He also reported and due to his "El" connections and trips to the Pleiades had the information of Salome meaning Peace and Wisdom which was how she came by that name that life time as the incarnation of the lineage back at that time. After the magdalene got the blood thrown all upon her of JB, he became in her incorporated. I am not sure how it came about, but memories get transferred in blood with high emotion,empathy and love. Or else possibly he just became a discarnate in her but they had conscious knowledge of it going on once they got incorporated.Then when she shared her blood and did the sacred conections with the twin then John or the true "El" connected one was the one in action but John more resided in her and the plan was to reincarnate 2,000 years later to finish the story when the astrology was correct during the time known as the end of times.

The rest written in the yellow right beside the eyes is "will reveal the truth to thee and help us keep her scatter'd family whole".

It makes sense the back says "only ww knows" as this would mean "only mm knows" as you can flip words backwards and read upside down when your whole brain is working. So this means "only Mary Magdalene knows".

Actually I was told to start talking about all the memories I came with once 21 years and a certain 7 had passed and to look for the star of David globally to encompass the world in the sky and then I would some where see the words only one(as in given to me as my memories) (or mm) knows and word of wisdom frees the scrolls.Then the time was ready for me to begin speaking on the portion I have recorded within me and have my entire lifetime. The harmonic concordance occured exactly to the day after the completion of 7 years that began November 7,1996.This was the star of David encompassing the globe and the astrological marker it was time which came to conscious awareness last May itwas going to occur in November this past year.

I bet there are many with memories who will start being activated or having the intuition to speak forth especially those who were taken in the programs in highschool who had memories and the CIA was involved in wishing to use or manipulate them.

I am just glad to see the legacy I have memories of begin to be righted and others are working to do this as well to bring back a balance.

Posted by: Salome on May 15, 2004 12:06 PM

Here's what I found on the cover front. In the easy to read yellow on the brown near the magdalene's eyes is this:praised by....will reveal the truth to thee and help us keep her scatter'd family whole.

On top of the Leonardo scroll black type background up where it says The Da Vinci Code between the A and the V you see WILL...next line down...THEE
then you see under Da Vinci and above Code "headstone praised by templars is the key"
then to the left of the C in Code you see "family whole" and the next line to the left of the C is FREE THIS SCROLL

then just above the brown strip under CODE visible is "ars (blurred) IS THE KEY which is closest to the magdalene eyes.

then go to the DAN BROWN below the eyes and script and you find in red on the brownish red.WORD OF WISDOM FREES SCROLL..above the Dan Brown and between the N&B you see visible WILL..next line (p)RAISED KEY by the D to the left and below this reads HELP US KEEP HER SCATTERED FAMILY WHOLE.

On the back cover zone in the lightning bolt area it appears to say "only ww knows" which would flip to be ONLY MM KNOWS.

I have come to meet someone who has been recognized as Leonardo da Vinci with his memories who happens to look like Albert Pike others have also said he was who sees mirror and upside down easily as I do and I sure would like to get him the scroll underneath to see if he can cipher it.

Another ancient word of wisdom which incorporates peace in wisdom is the Pleiadean "El" word translated as Salome.

Does anyone know how to get a copy of the Leonardo scroll underneath or is know if this is the scroll the RennesleChateau scroll was translating of the Shepherdess No Temptation Teniers Poussin Hold the Key, Piece, 681, By the Enclosed Sun Cross and the horse of God I complete ( OR destroy) This Daemon of the Guardian At Midday Blue Apples?

The RLC scroll prophecy is easy to fulfill and comprehend but I would like to see the DaVinci script on the cover to get it to this person to see if he can read his own scribblings better.

Does anyone know who to write who made the dust cover or Dan Brown how to ask for a copy of the DaVinci writing beneath this page, if he would like it translated?

On page 302 is written "An ancient word of wisdom frees this scroll and helps us keep her scatter'd family whole..a headstone praised by templars is the key and atbash will reveal the truth to thee" but since this is on the front sort of taken apart and with the magdalene eyes there may be many layers of codes before us to see if we look carefully at what is actually before us.

Since the writing on the front just stuck right out to me as another who reads as I do, I may have gotten prejudiced as to its meaning being stuck right over the magdalene eyes picture. Both Sophia and Salome are ancient words of wisdom. Victoria Sophia was the name of a major lineage incarnation around the 400 AD zone who got the Cathars and herself slaughtered for the truth. She was known as Sophia during that time. Same lineage though coming forward through time.

Posted by: Salome on May 15, 2004 02:03 PM

I just started this book 3 days ago... I just finished it and immediately saw the bold code "Is there no help for the widow's son?"

Surprisely, no one has yet mentioned that these were ORIGINALLY the dying words of Hiram Abif, one of the four Masons building King Solomon's Temple that actually hid the documents Langdon was searching for.

Might I suggest another long, but surprisely quick read: THE HIRAM KEY, by Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas.

The book takes you thru histories you've just learned and more... right to the heart of the matter.

Posted by: Jayme on May 15, 2004 09:16 PM

Thanks Jayme for reminding me to read Hiram's Key. If you would like to write me at my email address there is a mastermason's Hiram discovered website which goes over a whole lot of things you would be interested in. It says you can't write it to forums due to some cookie tracker and then I would get sent to fake pages, but I can send it to you VIA personal emails. It covers many of the current authors and is quite vast on it's sitemap.I am [email protected] for any interested in a more balanced record of the Hiram issues, pyramids, astronomy, Graham Hancock,etc and matriarchal issues further back.

Posted by: Salome on May 16, 2004 01:12 AM

Yes I read all about those documents hidden of Hiram Abiff. Do you think this was allegorical and referring to his knowledge of his lineage from which he was descended besides being documents he might have written for postarity to know the whole story of the lineage?

Since the book DVC had this cry for those to come to the aid, do you think that meant some way those knowing what it meant Dan Brown felt he needed for those who could to come forward or try to protect him for bringing the truth out to so many which obviously the Vatican and mainstream protestants might wish to blow him away or off over. Hmmm, if he needs help, he sort of is sequestered away. Guess he is doing OK with the help he got or else this was a setup for the next book.

I believe I will have to manifest that Hiram Key book and then I will know your background and most likely it will fill in areas for me to know all that has been spoken of and so far published on this area. I had to go on a major quest from the libraries around to obtain Holy Grail subject matter books. They were confiscated and not reshelved some left in the back for 5 years last time checked out.Fundamentalist church influence running the libraries.

Posted by: Salome on May 16, 2004 01:29 AM

Brown, in a press release from cnn.com today, said that the cipher on the dust jacket is information for the sequel, about, you guessed it, Free Masons. Help to keep her scattered family whole?

There are numbers on the back flap too, in a circle. A circle is whole, and maybe each number set is part of her family. More later.

Posted by: Sam on May 19, 2004 05:09 PM

Hi Sam,
Thanks for the update. I believe the numbers on the circle go to the E Pluribus Unun which had to do with linking these numbers to the beginning of each chapter.

Which is "Out of the many,one" which may have to do with the masons knowing the incarnation of the mary of magdalene was expected to come out of the United States.

If you notice also the capstone on the U.S currency with the eye sure looks similar to the madalene eye o n the DVC book and if you look on the other side of the bill you see the eagle, which the eagle or dove is representative of how the magdalene lineage comes across interdimensionally when inhabiting a new body.

That program I mentioned that picked up those of us with the memories and abilities got to be really deep and if you went along you were deep in those who control things behind the scenes offering Yale, Harvard and Rhode scholarship placements and positions in the CIA and they wanted to place you with others to breed you with besides doing the manifesting and intentionings and projections and remote viewing or influencings.I refused as the nature of their further "experiment" would have changed your nature of purity and hence you would have been lessened.

Perhaps he is going to expose the whole show and get rid of the controllers and the blackmail and suppression of all of us from whom we truly are when we go within and question each area as to our path of truth trusting syncrhonicity and our heart awareness as what we accept as our authority on issues and not what is vogue or current culture but what comes from within or remembered from other times.

Time will tell.

Posted by: Salome on May 21, 2004 01:59 AM

Tai had this portion solved you mentioned, Sam, with the pics on this link he had above. Great going Tai.

Tai, if you know how to reach those who contacted you maybe you could send them this string above and see if his editor has any comments.

http://www.pixelsandwidgets.com/weblogs/archives/000220.shtml

Posted by: Salome on May 21, 2004 02:02 AM

"Is there no help for the Widow's son?" is the Masonic call of Distress. Masons say this out loud if they are ever in an emergency, to solicit help from fellow masons.

Mormonism was heavily influenced by Freemasonry, and Joseph Smith himself was a Mason - that is why these were his last words.

Posted by: Tracy Twyman on May 21, 2004 07:03 AM

Yes, Tracy,this is what I read also. Seems like both Hiram Abiff and Joseph Smith both let out this cry, but they both were killed anyway. Is there a moral here?? Do the mason's ever really come when the cry is made? Does good ever prevail when it is not the popular vote of ones in power? At least these two examples bit the dust standing for unpopular stands even if they were sure in their hearts it was the pure and right thing for them to do.

For those of you who are more masonic oriented, what is the point of being a widow's son in the original tale? Did that mean she was a poor widow and couldn't help or a rich widow and didn't care.Or does widow imply too old and wrong sex to be of help during that time? I mean you could be a rich guy and your Mom is a widow if you were involved with treasure so what purpose of bringing up that his Dad was dead?

Does this mean someone who has exhausted their resources of family and friends or they are too chicken to stand up for them when things get heated but mason's may be saying this means I have noone else to stand with me, so stand up right now because this is right? Maybe getting them to remember the time Hiram was executed wrongly for all their benefit keeping the secret for them and they could have saved a righteous person's life if they had all stood together. Is this to make later mason's feel guilty or like really guilty if they just stand idly by?

In my net search I couldn't see any example when this desperate call was given that the person of conscience who was in extremis wasn't killed off at that time. Seems to me it might even be a bad thing to call out and maybe adds to getting yourself taken off the playing field of earth life. Maybe mason's just help each other out for corrupt causes and if they are blackmailed into it like self serving things and not for conscienctious masons needing help. At any rate these two masons making this call sure wasn't of earthly life maintenance benefit.

Wasn't John the Baptist a widow's son as well when he was beheaded since the parents who raised him were so up in age?

Posted by: Salome on May 21, 2004 07:25 PM

One of the people whom Christ raised from the dead (not Lazarus, but the other one) was described as the Widow's Son.

But the original "Widow's Son" was Horus, whose mother Isis mated with his father Osiris' dead body to conceive him.

The Masonic Call of Distress works most of the time, if there are Masons around to hear you. Watch the film "The Man Who Would be King" to see it in action.

Posted by: Tracy Twyman on May 25, 2004 03:50 AM

Tracy,
You mentioned that Horus was conceived after Isis MATED with the DEAD Osiris. OK, I thought Osiris was missing like all his genitals--they couldn't be found. Was this from your research felt to be some sexual act upon some dead guy minus his major organ we usually consider is how one gets pregnant? Are major enlightened ones then supposed to be able to call forth children from some type of chakral interaction or is this supposed to be a case of some type of spontaneous pregnancy these special or certain genetic people have?Or was Isis supposed to have just spiritually contemplated upon her passod over partner and spontaneously conceived or something?

Posted by: Salome on May 26, 2004 03:18 PM

Here is food for thought....My father told me this sory once and he is a mason as well. Most of the men in my family are. but here goes....SUPPOSEDLY..(take this with a grain of salt and if this theory has already been posted please forgive, my thoughts are scattered as well due to Hurricane Ivan)...Joseph Smith (mason) took a lot of the secrets of the Mason's revealed them, recruited several people and started the mormon church. In doing so there are supposedly gold tablets which Mr. Smith took from the Masons which, in turn, is the basis for the founding of the Mormon Church (see the correlation of the 10 Commandments ?). Joseph Smith stated he was given these tablets by an Angel in a field. An angel named Moroni (msp?)

This is just conjecture and possibly meanderings from a very tired woman right now but intriguing non the less. It would be interesting to hear what everyone thinks.

Charlotte

Posted by: Charlie on September 22, 2004 05:45 PM

Re: "WW"
Guys look at Kryptos deciphered code message, in it reads:

"WHO KNOWS THE EXACT LOCATION ONLY WW THIS WAS HIS LAST MESSAGE"

Posted by: TOC on September 25, 2004 11:44 PM

Talking of the Kryptos, does anyone know of an understandable solution to the 4th part?

Posted by: Marie Denarnaud on September 30, 2004 02:59 PM

I just read Holy Blood Holy Grail, which talks about the phrase "Is there no help for the widow's son." Once I read it I had to go back and read Da Vinci Code to see what other connections there were. And to my surprise there were quite a few. Even names of people in The Da Vinci Code are either people or places mentioned in Holy Blood Holy Grail. There are so many references that I couldn't possibly mention them all here. But it is definately worth looking into.

Posted by: Anna on November 5, 2004 02:15 PM
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